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	<title>Comments on: At Home in the Bible &#8211; Son of Man</title>
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		<title>By: Andy Dickson</title>
		<link>http://www.edgekingsland.co.nz/blog/2010/03/at-home-in-the-bible-son-of-man/comment-page-1/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Dickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Audrey, I will keep it going then!
And thanks Di, yeah for sure, there is a lot more to the whole Son of Man thing than could be summed up in a simple post...and yes, sometimes you can just substitute Son of Man for &#039;I&#039;, which in fact sometimes the gospel writers do when writing about the same story. And you are right...if all we focus on is that Jesus is THE son of man, we can miss the fact that he was A son of man (human)...so perhaps it is best to reflect on both</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Audrey, I will keep it going then!<br />
And thanks Di, yeah for sure, there is a lot more to the whole Son of Man thing than could be summed up in a simple post&#8230;and yes, sometimes you can just substitute Son of Man for &#8216;I&#8217;, which in fact sometimes the gospel writers do when writing about the same story. And you are right&#8230;if all we focus on is that Jesus is THE son of man, we can miss the fact that he was A son of man (human)&#8230;so perhaps it is best to reflect on both</p>
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		<title>By: Di</title>
		<link>http://www.edgekingsland.co.nz/blog/2010/03/at-home-in-the-bible-son-of-man/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Di</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some thoughts:

&quot;son of man&quot;, &quot;ben Adam&quot; in Hebrew and &quot;bar Enosh&quot;(formal or high society) or &quot;bar Nasha&quot;(common)in Aramaic simply means man or mankind or children/people or more crudely perhaps &quot;son of/from dirt&quot; as adam means dirt. 

In Scripture this sometimes contrasts with &quot;bene Elohim&quot;, &quot;sons of God&quot;, some types of angelic beings or beings from God. Remember the &quot;benot ha Adam&quot;, &quot;daughters of Adam&quot; were taken by the &quot;sons of God&quot; (some sort of non human or superhuman beings) as their wives thus heralding the flood.

&quot;Ben Adam&quot;, &quot;son of God&quot; or man is how the prophet Ezekiel is addressed by an angel. Again it&#039;s a simple contrast to God or even to the angel.

In the song of Moses, the &quot;sons of man&quot; seem to be different to the &quot;sons of Israel&quot; and this presents an, shall we say, prophetic picture of the &quot;sons or children/people&quot; saved by The Lord.

I think at times we place too much emphasis on the word &quot;the&quot; when we refer to Jesus as &quot;the son of man&quot;. He did not deny that he was the expected one but in his reference to the &quot;son of man&quot; being Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8 (an oft quoted reference for Jesus being The Man)Jesus was referring back to David and maybe to the need to look beyond the set rules (this time of the Sabbath) to meeting essential needs (doing what is normally not permitted on that day yet still honoring the day, if you get what I mean). In the many Gospel references where he refers to himself as &quot;the son of man&quot;, I tend to read it as &quot;this son of man&quot; or &quot;I&quot; (eg, as an idiom)

Yes, Jesus is The Son of Man, The Man, The Messiah - he had to be &quot;of man&quot; to redeem man and &quot;of God&quot; to be without fault. For sin came thru one man, Adam and redemption, thru one man, Yeshua (my paraphrase). This particular son of man, this &quot;kibar Enosh&quot; &quot;one like unto a son of man (Daniel 7) was and is the promised one, as Andy says, our representative before God, victorious, so that we can be also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some thoughts:</p>
<p>&#8220;son of man&#8221;, &#8220;ben Adam&#8221; in Hebrew and &#8220;bar Enosh&#8221;(formal or high society) or &#8220;bar Nasha&#8221;(common)in Aramaic simply means man or mankind or children/people or more crudely perhaps &#8220;son of/from dirt&#8221; as adam means dirt. </p>
<p>In Scripture this sometimes contrasts with &#8220;bene Elohim&#8221;, &#8220;sons of God&#8221;, some types of angelic beings or beings from God. Remember the &#8220;benot ha Adam&#8221;, &#8220;daughters of Adam&#8221; were taken by the &#8220;sons of God&#8221; (some sort of non human or superhuman beings) as their wives thus heralding the flood.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ben Adam&#8221;, &#8220;son of God&#8221; or man is how the prophet Ezekiel is addressed by an angel. Again it&#8217;s a simple contrast to God or even to the angel.</p>
<p>In the song of Moses, the &#8220;sons of man&#8221; seem to be different to the &#8220;sons of Israel&#8221; and this presents an, shall we say, prophetic picture of the &#8220;sons or children/people&#8221; saved by The Lord.</p>
<p>I think at times we place too much emphasis on the word &#8220;the&#8221; when we refer to Jesus as &#8220;the son of man&#8221;. He did not deny that he was the expected one but in his reference to the &#8220;son of man&#8221; being Lord of the Sabbath in Matthew 12:8 (an oft quoted reference for Jesus being The Man)Jesus was referring back to David and maybe to the need to look beyond the set rules (this time of the Sabbath) to meeting essential needs (doing what is normally not permitted on that day yet still honoring the day, if you get what I mean). In the many Gospel references where he refers to himself as &#8220;the son of man&#8221;, I tend to read it as &#8220;this son of man&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8221; (eg, as an idiom)</p>
<p>Yes, Jesus is The Son of Man, The Man, The Messiah &#8211; he had to be &#8220;of man&#8221; to redeem man and &#8220;of God&#8221; to be without fault. For sin came thru one man, Adam and redemption, thru one man, Yeshua (my paraphrase). This particular son of man, this &#8220;kibar Enosh&#8221; &#8220;one like unto a son of man (Daniel 7) was and is the promised one, as Andy says, our representative before God, victorious, so that we can be also.</p>
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		<title>By: audrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey andy
this is such a good blog
i am enjoying it so much
i have never formally studied the bible and know so little
i love how you are helping me to grow in my understanding (and faith)
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey andy<br />
this is such a good blog<br />
i am enjoying it so much<br />
i have never formally studied the bible and know so little<br />
i love how you are helping me to grow in my understanding (and faith)<br />
thanks</p>
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